/by/ - Belarus

Should Europe integrate into a single federal state? I think it's a good idea. The reality of modern geopolitics is that you're either a superpower, or a superpower's bitch. If you want your country to truly be sovereign, it needs to become a superpower. No country in Europe has to capacity to be a superpower in 2020, so the only real option is for them to federate into a single country. The European Union is already moving in the right direction, so here's what I think they should do:
-Annex all the country in pic related except maybe Belarus, Ukraine, and Moldova
-Merge the armed forces of EU member states into a single European Army (and Navy and Air Force of course)
-Replace all local currencies with the Euro
-Ban treaties between member states and outside powers (to prevent dividing and conquering)
-Single citizenship shared by all EU member states. If you're citizen in one EU member state, you're automatically a citizen in another
-Free movement of people between EU member states (movement between EU states and non-EU states can still be strictly controlled)
-Leave NATO and all other treaty organizations that promote American hegemony. Negotiate new treaties that are more favorable to Europe.
-Establish English as the primary lingua franca
-Allow EU member states to use their own local languages in their local affairs
-Abolish the European council and the President of the European Commission
-European Parliament will be the supreme federal governing body of Europe

What are your thoughts?

we are not joining that shithole

>>1377435(OP)
>The European Union is already moving in the right direction
Countries are leaving EU, not joining, eurofaggot. It was a shit concept then, it's a shit concept now. KYS

>>1377435(OP)
Thanks, but no thanks.
We don't need to be a super power and the issue in most european states, hell even everywhere on this planet, is that politics don't care about the people. If we can't get the leaders of our own country to act in our interest, it will be even worse with a bigger "country".
Most of the countries already use the Euro.
Free movement of people in the EU is already a thing. Even as a superstate the EU would be a bitch to either the US or Russia

>>1377435(OP)
Why did you leave russia out?

>>1377435(OP)
Since European union Germans are broke asf
I want my Deutsche Mark back

>>1377435(OP)
Hasn't Eastern Europe suffered enough?

>>1377435(OP)
Oh certainly...that is if the continent was given ample time to naturally grow together into a singular entity reflecting a homogenous culture at least.
Since the EU is trying to do exactly that though against the wishes of the natives it can only fail and lead to more strife and suffering, so fuck them and their plans to create their marxist shithole EUSSR

No thanks.

>>1377435(OP)
Excuse me sweety, we ain't blue.

Richard Spencer I know this is you. Go away.

>>1377435(OP)
YES!
This is the only way for europeans to remain sovereign and relevant in the coming decades and solve the regionalist/petty nationalist issues.
No one gives any arguments besides "muh flag" lmao. Your national symbols aren't even genuine but mostly fabricated by masons in the 19th century, they mean nothing.

>>1377435(OP)
>Single citizenship shared by all EU member states. If you're citizen in one EU member state, you're automatically a citizen in another
you just single-handedly blown up all pensionfunds, destroyed any moral left to even try to do the right thing, strenghend all crooks around and made sure that some big corp dicklicking lobbyisting bureaucrats run things from thousands of miles away without ever being there and with no chance ever to held them accountable, since the majority of your dreamzone will outvote your concerns when you are fucked good bc they are at the moment not affected.

>>1377435(OP)
I doubt it will happen, a lot of people think their specific country is paying the bill for everyone else. Even here in tiny Denmark, I hear people say "and now all our taxes go to Greece and Italy"

If people aren't scapegoating the Slavs, they're scapegoating the Mediterranean people

>>1377435(OP)
Do you remember how westerneuros can’t stop gobbling jogger dicks ?
Now they can voted to be mandatory all across the continent and outlaw any opposition.
Might as well add on the goaty hands stretching the star ring.
Yey, federation!

>>1377435(OP)
If you want your country to be sovereign it has to be Israel

>>1377435(OP)
If any country tries to forcefully integrate my country into a supranational entity, we will wage war.

I think you make the mistake many americans make by underestimating how different european countries are. The European nations are very different genetically, in terms of personality, politics, economic success etc. Euro for all countries in Europe? Doesn't work because the strength of the economies is too different. The South and East of Europe would be welfare queens (they already are in the EU). Freedom of movement between European countries? No, then subhumans from the Balkan will move to western Europe. I live in one of the richest, cleanest and safest countries on earth and let me tell you I prefer Indian immigrants over Balkan immigrants. Being white isn't good enough. Whites are very different and I don't even think of my people as white but as swiss. I agree that geopolitics is cruel and big nations swallow small nations etc. That's why Europe should have a common military and border control, and Europe needs to have a more unified identity because Europe needs to unite to withstand China, America, India, the Refugee world, the global South but there shouldn't be a political unification like you propose.

>>1377435(OP)
Fuck no

>>1377435(OP)
>American talking about something he knows nothing about
Yup, this is a /by/ thread alright.

>>1377435(OP)
>albania and kosovo exist
bro.....

>>1377435(OP)
They'll be false flagged into a US of E soon enough. In one more generation?

The ameridumb strikes again!

>>1377435(OP)
>The reality of modern geopolitics is that you're either a superpower, or a superpower's bitch.
What's the difference if the same thing happens within the EU.

We want out of this sinking ship, not even more integrated. Alliances are meant to be temporary and this one has long overstayed its welcome.

Fuck off no one wants to speak english, The only official language should be Latin
And who cares honestly, we’ll soon have devices that will instantly translate what we say

>>1377435(OP)
One look at USA and it‘s current state is enough to loudly yell NO!!!

You opinion is shit

>>1377435(OP)
Nah. I think that you need bigger countries. So, we grab BeNeLux. Germany grabs Austria. Brittain grabs Ireland. Etc. Now you have powerful countries, and less countries. This makes all administration much easier. Next up, you get a defensive pact for when Europe is under attack, and you get some EU trade rules, some EU regulations, etc. Standard boring stuff.

It's the dream of every not-braindead european. Eu would be much stronger, and that's the reason because china and russia finace all the anti european nationalistic parties

It would only be cool if the map also included Russia AND Turkey.

>>1377435(OP)
>I think it's a good idea
Well you are wrong. See how well it's going for the USA.
EU is culturally and politically diverse area.

>>1377435(OP)
There is a reason why God divided the people when they tried to build the tower of Babel.
Rulers who want the world under their dominion, They want to play God but they can't do so without corrupting. The division ensures there are always other forces to correct the balance if a nation goes rogue..

divided nations also teaches the importance of making and keeping friends.

>>1377435(OP)
Yes, but only if Hitler or a man like him will lead it. Only then will I follow, not these junkie fucking bureaucrats so far up their own ass that they can see the light from their mouth.

>>1377435(OP)
no. now fix your jogger infested joke of a country

>>1377435(OP)
>Annex all the country in pic related except maybe Belarus, Ukraine, and Moldova
Only when we rechristianize Albania and Bosnia and so on.

>Merge the armed forces of EU member states into a single European Army (and Navy and Air Force of course)
Having national armies cooperating under some EU scheme is enough, I think.

>Single citizenship shared by all EU member states. If you're citizen in one EU member state, you're automatically a citizen in another
No.

>Free movement of people between EU member states
No.

>Abolish the European council and the President of the European Commission
Why?

>European Parliament will be the supreme federal governing body of Europe
No, never again democracy.

>>1377435(OP)
IF

If there were outborder controls instead of skittles wellcome i'd agree. Also,the UK better out. We can have friendly relationship with Usa without a trojan horse of them. Plus,UK is no longer european. They must find a place in the world among their equals: indians and pakis

>>1377435(OP)
No.

>>1377435(OP)
FUCK MIGRANT QUOTAS!

>>1377435(OP)
Fuck you

>>1377435(OP)
>-Annex all the country in pic related except maybe Belarus, Ukraine, and Moldova
You realize some wars would be necessary for this? We might as well "annex" Russia.
>-Merge the armed forces of EU member states into a single European Army (and Navy and Air Force of course)
Not making a big difference outside of budget concerns considering NATO. Better to modernize NATO instead.
>-Replace all local currencies with the Euro

>-Ban treaties between member states and outside powers (to prevent dividing and conquering)
>-Single citizenship shared by all EU member states. If you're citizen in one EU member state, you're automatically a citizen in another
Would mean creating a single unified healthcare, pension and welfare system, too, yet they'd be forced to keep the inflated welfare commitments of past generations? Why would one country want to inherit another countries poor decisions? (this is the real question overall)
>-Free movement of people between EU member states (movement between EU states and non-EU states can still be strictly controlled)
Already had that in the form of the Schengen Area.
>-Leave NATO and all other treaty organizations that promote American hegemony. Negotiate new treaties that are more favorable to Europe.
I guess, but USA protecting us is comfy. We're too lazy to make a lot of nukes.
>-Establish English as the primary lingua franca
Just a matter of giving it official status.
>-Allow EU member states to use their own local languages in their local affairs
You don't "allow" that. They already are "allowed".
>-European Parliament will be the supreme federal governing body of Europe
It provides notoriously poor representation.

>>1377435(OP)
Why yes! I do want to redistribute more of the British taxpayers money into Irish infrastructure - Thanks chaps *Rubs hands*

But yeah this is gonna happen whether you like it or not, might as well make our peace with the idea of federal Europe.

>>1377435(OP)
Definitely not these days. Not until the globohomo influence is completely beaten beyond recovery.
And even then the thought of guys like pic related ever being anywhere near the top is deeply concerning. I'd rather abolish the entire trade union completely, it's that concerning.

>>1377435(OP)
It's not a terrible idea if policies were set in place to protect the cultural identities of the individual states within the union. The main problem is that the people running the union would inevitably be the kind of psychopaths that rise to the top anywhere, (like the current eu) and hate their constituents.

>>1377435(OP)
>Negotiate new treaties that are more favorable to Europe.
not going to happen ever
>Establish English as the primary lingua franca
lol so you want a shittier version of the US
>European Parliament will be the supreme federal governing body of Europe
never going to happen, the parliament has no power. only the commission matters.
>Merge the armed forces of EU member states into a single European Army (and Navy and Air Force of course)
hmm gotta love giving your army to nato and germany

Terrible idea that would never work although maybe in the future in might, also it would make the whole of europe filled with joggers and make it a lefty shithole

No, no, no fuck off you JOGGER

>>1377435(OP)
Why would I let baguettes and pasta joggers decide what I can and cannot do?

>>1377435(OP)
You cunts thinking it's a good idea is how we got the EU in the first place.
Stop interfering in our politics. It's fucking cancer

>>1377435(OP)
Please read The perils of centralization by Ken Kollman. You will understand how infinitely stupid this idea is.

>>1377435(OP)
The northern countries should make their own national socialist state. https://nordicresistancemovement.org/a-united-north/

https://nordicresistancemovement.org/

You clearly don't understand how vastly different the cultures and general mindsets are of countries in Europe.

>>1377435(OP)
ftfy

>>1377435(OP)
Federal Eu-dope-stan?

>>1377435(OP)
As long as Jewish bankers are involved it won't change anything.

Merkel turn off the vpn and go back to destroying Germany, the rest of us don't want to hear it.

>>1377435(OP)
GLOBOHOMO FUCK OFF WITH THE POWER CONSOLIDATION
You don't get to tell me how to run my life.

>>1377435(OP)
>-Establish English as the primary lingua franca
Fuck off.

>>1377435(OP)
there economic differences between member states are too great. I get 900€ net a month, same job and skill in Austria/Germany pays at least 2x-3x bu their prices (food, rent, bla) are not 2x-3x

abolishing the commission and council would not change much as far as the decision making goes. EU politics is formed in Berlin. The rest is just a fancy procedure for a rubber stamp

"local/national" government leaders will not give up power

>>1377435(OP)
might be possible if you werent inviting a bunch of joggers in at the same time. its like you want your union to collapse and start another world war.

No north west EU will be more flooded with lazy coloured then it is now.

>>1377435(OP)
Leave Norway out of this, we voted no the first time, the created the efta to make shit so bad that we would vote yes when it came up for a vote the second time.

And we still voted FUCK NO the second time it came up for a vote...

>>1377435(OP)
Anyway Germany rules. CIA created EU for them to be a wall against communism, and now even Brits left.
Also:
>-Establish English as the primary lingua franca
Without the brits...

>>1377435(OP)
Europe is not a monoculture ffs, we share nothing, not language, not morality, not political leanings, not political structure, not even the script we use for writing. The only thing we "share" is the bogus "European" identity. The EU needs to be depoliticized and remain a purely economic union, NATO already does the job of uniting our militaries in case of defensive war. The Euro can stay for all I care, but it shouldn't replace national currencies, maybe becoming the petroldollar for Europe.

Ahem,
Death to eu!
Death to nato!
Death to usa!
And death to judeo anglo-shitery!!!

>>1377435(OP)
For the nordic countries (Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland) there's a better option and a better path, pic related.
Together we'd have literally everything required to sustain our people for thousands of years into the future and to protect it.

For everyone overall, NatSoc is the way. We must secure the existance of our white people and our white children. And by going NatSoc, other races can have their own ethno states. Multiculture is the enemy of man, the enemy of nature. It breeds egoistic thinking and consooomers.
Jews are evil snakes and the devils children.
Hell Seger!

If Adolf would rule it yes, otherwise no

>>1377435(OP)
>should we amerimuttify europe

>>1377435(OP)
You better make French or Latin the lingua franca or don't have one at all.

>>1377435(OP)
Fuck the eu
Fuck globalhomo
and most of all:
FUCK MORONS LIKE YOU!

MAXIMUM SLIDE THREAD!

>>1377435(OP)
>I think it's a good idea
that's because you're a globalist and you hate european cultures.

>>1377435(OP)
the problem here is that my country was fucked a lot of times by competing european powers, then we joined without having made the necessary reforms so we got fucked even more.

>>1377435(OP)
>I think it's a good idea
Who cares about the opinion of an american? You are a mutt.

>>1377435(OP)
All that's needed is this.

>>1377435(OP)
Sounds good, but if you want to be independent from America, why do you propose to use it's language?