One way to get a powerful EU army is to require each EU member state to designate parts of their military (EU Panzer Groups, EU Stormtrooper Units, EU Airforce Battlegroups, EU Navy Groups, EU logistics etc.) as “EU groups”.
If course these groups would then need to be open to all EU citizens to join. Command over these units would still be in the hands of the state, but overall coordination would be on an EU level.
How does this not make sense? This means tiny countries e.g. do not need airforce units because Germany could fly over them for protection.
Hitler failed because he could not achieve this. This entire timeline since 1945 has been the eternal Hun working to forge control over Europe and her armies, and thereafter conquer the entire world. Well played, Fritz. Frederick would be proud.
EU army would probably lead to EU countries abandoning NATO. You do realise that the freedoms you enjoy are thanks to the Americans? what the fuck would an EU army be able to accomplish alone, fucking nowt. Endless bureaucracy and has more of a chance to be turned on its own citizens to stop another Brexit situation occurring than being used to fight an external threat. Good luck with that.
>>1506543(OP) > How does this not make sense?
it will be lead by Germ**s, just look at the state of your own army Kevin Öztürk. > Germany could fly over them for protection
nah, your Cucksweht will bow down to Russians & Turks immediately once one of your planes are downed.
I think we will also need a special unit comprised of EUropeans only (meaning no anglos, new europeans would be more than welcome) to symbolize EUropean unity. We could call them the Protection Unit, how about that?
European army group has been a project for 25+ years now. It hasn't worked out, why should this change? NATO European command is the closest to a combined European force so far. Reason for it's failure is that all minor countries would have to give up combined arms warfare in order to join (the actually ability to defend their nation in case of foreign aggression). Even though laughable defense budgets, this is still the sentiment. Convincing Poland, Hungary and Bulgaria to join will be extremely hard with the political aggression of Western Europe, so the best hope of a multinational army is Germany-France, but I highly doubt that this is going to work.
>>1506543(OP) >How does this not make sense?
Why would a country with functional military trade that with a military that trains with broomsticks, sets woods on fire and sinks their own ships? Because that's what they get if germany has any say in it.
I'm a Brexiteer and while I voted for sovereignty (achieved, get fukt remoaners), it makes me so fucking erect that the EU losing their 2nd largest financial contributor really put a spanner in the works for them getting their army to enforce a "benevolent" Empire on Europe.
>>1506543(OP) >How does this not make sense?
OP, there are already EU units working for PESCO and EU operations in Africa, the Mediterranean and the horn of Africa.
You have Portuguese, Spanish and Italian navies working together for the safety of the European trade interests on sea that also helps other European countries like Austria or Switzerland that have no navies.
You have 22 Euro countries in Mali helping the French keep their colonies and containing the increasing destabilization of Africa to at least reduce the flow of inmigrants.
You have Frontex, a public company that controls the borders of the EU that all EU citizens can join and is reinforcing European countries law enforcement organizations to stop the flow of illegal inmigration.
You have the Eurocorps which is a literal european army composed of 5 member countries that has fast reaction and deployment capabilities and has become the probing grounds of the Euroarmy project
You have the EDA that is lobbying EU countries to give up their local arms production to create an standarized EU army industry and coordinating EU armies to exchange officers and centralize military education in several EU countries with the final objective of having a unified EU doctrine.
You have the military EU commitee and the EU Military Staff that is literally the headquarters of the EU military which directly answers to the EU governing bodies and directs EU strategy.
Since brexit and Trump came to power, the EU army project has made leaps and bounds like neve before, and we are still trying to figure things and let all of these things develop and settle to have a strong foundation, so this house of cards that is having 5 different military industrial standards, 27 countries with different languages, doctrines, budgets, equipments, military needs and worldwide interests work together, while having to promise NATO constantly that this is a unified EU force that is going to work for and not against NATO.
>>1506543(OP) >How does this not make sense? This means tiny countries e.g. do not need airforce units because Germany could fly over them for protection.
Because in reality EU troops would be used primarily for crushing anti-EU dissent. If anti-EU movements begin in France, they'll send in Romanian troops to crack French skulls. If anti-EU movements begin in Italy, they'll send in German troops to crack skulls. The Roman Empire used to use troops foreign to the region to police its own citizens very effectively, this is what the EU wants to do.
>>1506543(OP) >supporting tiny countries >Germany cannot even afford to pay for NATO membership. >Cant even afford to give all their soldiers guns
No country in that group can pay for an army.
You increase the bureaucratic load, increase standards, increase total numbers of military personnel and no one will be able to afford it.
This is just a money sink that will make a small group of people billions every year.
I haven't even mentioned the logistics, historical grievances, cultural and lingual difficulties that multiple nations within Europe will have.
You think the American military is expensive? Wait until this gets rolled out and it wont be 1/10th as effective...
It's a question of logistics. Many different languages, many different weapon types, made by different country's. Which country's are willing to give up their weapon industry's. The cost of standardisation would be massive.
I can hardly imagine unified EU military since countries still have contradicting interests and ambitions, and trusting EU burocracy is something not any sane state woudl do.
More over France, Germany, Italy, Greece, all have different interests. France will never give up its army, Germany can if thinks EU army essentially will be theirs - but it`ll not. Imaigine if UK didnt leave, then it`d be even more unrealistic.
As much as Russia tries to spam this cliche it will never happen. You can't have every country holding military assets that the whole force would rely on. It just takes one country to say no to supporting a specfic operation and then the whole thing would be fucked.
Distrust in Germany as a bloc leading force is rampant. Taking sovereignty from EU member states at this point in military questions could and imo will trigger anti-German resentments hard.
You have to create a sense of unity amongst Europeans. History tells that this only happens when a group is against a common foe. There's a lot of potential for creating this common opponent and provoking that into actions that will in fact pour fuel and that.
From that the feel of needing a common European army will arise. Although I see the rational reasons behind it, people would see it as a wet dream of the elites being made true without having the justification or the need. The elites as a whole are barely having the trust that they need to get anything big done anyway.
It doesn't make sense, because we're governed by retards who fail to enforce common social interests and laws on the inside but want to create a European military for the outside. Just fucked up lunatics at this point. They don't make sense and should they just roll it out, watch the EU cohesion crumble even more. It's stupid, because there's no readiness for it on the popular level.
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