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What if this becomes true

A global resource based economy (Post scarcity society) where food production, manufacturing and other jobs are done by robots.

Humans spends most of the time in scientific research, sports and art related activities.

Every country has same standard of living there is no immigration and no crime because everyone receives universal basic income. Poverty is the most common reason for crime if everyone's basic income is met why would anyone commit any crime.

No more nationalist and religious bigots. No more wars and skittles.

It would not be perfect but better than what we have.
>>1329598(OP)
>Post scarcity
cliche
>>1329598(OP)
>Humans spends most of the time in scientific research, sports and art related activities.
Not everyone can do those kinds of jobs.

>No more nationalist and religious bigots.
And that would be achieved how?
we had this in the communism
in the end people stop working because they get same money anyway so why bother
let the others do the work
>>1329598(OP)
Go visit the real thing and you'll see what a crock of shit it is. Venus Project is located in central Florida and it's a few shitty 1970s buildings and a bunch of weirdos, borderline cult.
How would I be able to pay for my WoW subscription?
>>1329598(OP)
>Post scarcity society

Unless we have figured out matter to energy conversion that is not going to be a thing.
>>1329598(OP)
>What if Star Trek utopia??!!!
>All your needs provided by automation so you can SCIENCE and RESEARCH and ART!!
Oh shut the fuck up...
You collectivist "secularism as god" bug people always fail to sketch out THE REST of your Utopian Vision.
What happens to the people who ARE nationalists?
Or what happens to the people who don't share your fucking opinion and you deem them "bigots"?
Tell us - what happens to them?
You just going to let them go their own way?
Do their own thing?
>>1329598(OP)
in order for this to happen, whites would first have to stop babysitting shitskins who are incapable of acting civil in a functioning society
Looks almost exactly like Logan's Run
Kek wills it
>>1329598(OP)
how you keep the population down if all those joggers have nothing to do?
>>1329598(OP)
>Post scarcity
lol
>>1329598(OP)
Yeah we might reach this stage but the third world keeps having tons and tons of kids so humanity has no chance
>>1329598(OP)
>Humans spends most of the time in scientific research, sports and art related activities.
90% of humans would have to be culled for this to work, or else you would have billions of useless parasites who contribute nothing and consume everything

>No more nationalist and religious bigots.
Very antisemitic of you
>>1329598(OP)
His dream died with him and humanists are cunts. I want tribalism and you’ll have to kill me to get your dumb utopia.
>>1329598(OP)
This is what you really want.
>>1329598(OP)
>Every country has same standard of living
Africa/Haiti tier
>Humans spends most of the time in scientific research
"Where the fuck did the food and toilet paper go?
>and art related activities
Grafitti, porn
>>1329598(OP)
Sounds lovely
what you're describing is Star Trek, which is commie propaganda.

The only good Trek is Deep Space 9, where the commies accidentally subverted their own propaganda.
>>1329598(OP)
>(Post scarcity society)
doesn't fucking exist. retard.

holy shit. just read some basic fucking economics
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/scarcity.asp
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/opportunitycost.asp
>>1329598(OP)
>Humans spends most of the time in scientific research, sports and art related activities.
>>1329598(OP)
>slavery takes care of our problems
>indentured servants take care of our problems
>child labor solves our problems
>immigration solves our problems
>overseas sweatshops solves our problems
>automation solves our problems
>advanced communications solves our problems
>robots solve our problems
>A.I. solves our problems
>A.I. realizes we're the problem
oh shit
We have had a trial run of this the last six months. Tons of people without work getting fat unemployment checks.

They are miserable. They are getting fatter. They are getting angrier. They have done nothing of value with the free time that they have.

The best science come from rigor. It comes from people fighting tooth and nail for funding. The best art is also created by the most competitive and driven people.

Giving funding to trash people just creates noise. It becomes harder to find quality research and art when your waste deep in shit.
>>1329598(OP)
>Humans spends most of the time in scientific research, sports and art related activities.
so 97% unemployable?
>>1329598(OP)
nope, sounds like commie utopia that simply can't exists because planning at such grand scale is prone to errors because number of factors is probabilistic.

free market is the only choice, UBI is fairy tale for retards
It sounds very ideal, but no plan so far can reasonable ensure this outcome while not infringing on or alienating the rights of billions of people.
>>1329598(OP)
>What if this becomes true
it won't, it's still the same old corrupt politicians you've always had only this time they have more power because of global integration and you have no ability to depose them.
That's what the UN is.
>Humans spends most of the time in scientific research, sports and art related activities.
to what end, it's pointless, nobody is remembered except the leaders in a commie nation, it is a meaningless existence, a growing cancer of wasted human potential but you'll learn soon enough, or maybe you're the religious type of guy who only requires belief.

>the anus project
lol
>>1329598(OP)
>implying this utopia would be possible with joggers
Blacks do crime because of retarded muh honor cultural reasons, not crime.
Even adjusted for income, blacks consistently do more crime then whites.

Your ideal society would only hapen in a 99% white/asian society or with magically genetically-engineered joggers
>>1329598(OP)
It's a cute ideal and I'd love for it to actually happen.

But look at the real world. There's no fucking way you get this through to all powertripping businessmen an politictians.

Try this and someone pockets all the money put into the scheme, then it collapses.

Or someone gives 0.01% to the slaves in the system and pockets the rest for his friends and family.


If you could attempt this with the threat of a particularly nasty deaths for corrupt agents you would have a minor chance to get it through after executing a few thousand would-be-dictators.


Actual version that could work for our reality: AI. Blind brutal AI could distribute everything equally and murder people in a senseless fashion to keep the system working. If you get it right the first time, because there will be no second time for it.
After we fix the resource scarcity problem, humanity's endgame becomes science and art.
>>1329598(OP)
Difficult, but doable. Some of us are working on it.
>>1329598(OP)
>It would not be perfect but better than what we have.
This is what they always say before they murder millions. Ends up being worse than what you had before.
looks soulless and boring desu, science for what? so you can build more boring concentric circle cities?
>>1329598(OP)
>live for leisure
then what is the point of humans?
all people do in such a place is walk around and take up space.
wasn't the lead guy on this project accused of raping a child?
>>1329598(OP)
Joggers and jews
Sage
that's communism's endgame, nothing new there
imagine
there will still be some immigration but not skittles
you'd need to egunize the human race, eliminate all genetic variants of selfishness/psycopathy/lying/self-serving/lazyness. Once you are left with nothing but selfless, altruistic, true, motivated and kind-hearted people, perhaps that end goal might be achievable, but we'll never see it as long as this eugenics process is complete. I, for example, will not reproduce, I don't have good genes.
>>1329598(OP)
>post scarcity economy
>everybody still needs income for some reason
I don't think that's how post-scarcity works.
>Poverty is the most common reason for crime
Explain rape, then. Joggers aren't out raping women because they're hungry, nor is it because they can't afford rims.

This thread is stupid and so are you.
>>1329598(OP)
>Poverty is the most common reason for crime if everyone's basic income is met why would anyone commit any crime.

Yeah, poor people that are forced to do crimes to live wouldn't do these crimes, like stealing, robbing..
But talking about some criminals like serial killers, creepers.. would they stop? No.
>>1329598(OP)
>OP is globohomo
>has no brain
>wishes bigotry end
>earth was round
> earth becomes flat by globohomo fiat
>>1329598(OP)
No it wouldn't. Humans cannot into utopia.
>>1329598(OP)
Ahh anon, you think some flat. It's not a question of robots, but what resources robots have and who controls them. Obviously the dumbest thing you can do is to make robots think for themselves. A robot is tool to help human. So second dumbest thing you can do is to give control to handful of people, you move nowhere forward. We don't need Matrix, we need personal maidbots.
Mankind would go extinct in 500 years of that, the competition for resources is the only true drive humanity has.
>>1329598(OP)
You are all so fucking uncreative.
>>1329598(OP)
>What if this becomes true
Marxists will find a problem somewhere and use it as a wedge to drive through society and trash it all.
>>1329598(OP)
What would people spend the ubi on you memeing retard? If everything is automated and there is no supply and demand because it's "post scarcity" why does anyone have money at all?
Africa is a post-scarcity society. And Australia before colonisation.

Abundance removes the evolutionary survival pressure of long term planning and cooperation. When everyone can have instant gratification they become more selfish.

What you’re proposing would result in the entire world becoming Joggers.
>>1329598(OP)
>Humans spends most of the time in scientific research
99% of humans are not capable of scientific research, and we're already on the edge of the end of scientific research. We've learned nearly all we can, everything left is simply too complex to ever test.
>sports and art related activities.
Reliance on surrogate activities are why people have mental and emotional disorders.
>Every country has same standard of living there is no immigration and no crime because everyone receives universal basic income.
Your premise does not support your conclusion.
>Poverty is the most common reason for crime
No it is not.
>It would not be perfect but better than what we have.
It would be much worse than what we have, which is already shit.
Why do all the leftys and liberals think that taking away purpose from humans will free them? I've seen enough of you faggots to know what having no purpose besides existing does to you. You latch onto fantastically retarded ideas that end up harming the people you claim to want to help.
>>1329598(OP)
>Humans spends most of the time in scientific research, sports and art related activities.
ahahahahahaha
It would only work in a white only world. Joggers cannot exist
>>1329598(OP)
>Humans spends most of the time in scientific research, sports and art related activities.
Invest in the stock market and this can be you.
>>1329598(OP)
It's funny how people always envisage future cities to be these innovative utopias. Most cities are dystopia now and are only becoming worse; sticking some shiny chrome paint on it isn't a solution.
>>1329598(OP)
This is retarded OP
>no crime because everyone receives universal basic income
Where there are joggers there is crime. There's a stronger correlation between crime and race instead of crime and poverty. Jogger loving delirium.
>>1329598(OP)
I recommend you read Stanislaw Lem's Cyberiad. It has a short story that deals exactly with the consequences of said little fantasy.
Spoiler, it ends badly.
>>1329598(OP)
And what if my country produces better research than other countries? What if I do better work than average joe?

Like hell am I gonna have the same standard of living as them when I work harder. Fuck that noise. Why do you faggots seem to think that everyone's just fine with getting the same as everyone else? I worked my fucking ass off to get where I am specifically so I can have more than others. This is why all the tankie scum of the earth are also the most lazy fucking losers I've seen in my life.

This is why China needs to fucking take over the world. Ironically, they seem to be the least for this type of horseshit. We need the weak to rot on the streets while the strong get to live in their ivory towers.
Would never happen as this relies on Africans to advance alongside white societt
Everything in existence is finite. Scarcity will never go away. Having a larger volume of resources does not mean resources are infinite.
>>1329598(OP)
Will never work for two important reasons. Joggers and competition.
(JOggers =/= Blacks) were given this already and it has failed miserably.
Free housing - they fuck it up and don't take care of it because they have nothing vested in it.
Free healthcare - they eat shit all day, smoke newports and drink malt liquor all day.
Free from work - sit around all day watching rap videos and wshh fight compilations instead of going on youtube and learning new skills free of charge.
Free schooling - don't pay attention in school, would rather floss and freestyle while teacher tries to teach and also deride any kid who actually wants to learn and better themselves.
Etc...
Competition - humans are naturally competitive and for something like this to work you need the opposite of that. You need strict testing and placement of human resources in fields that will sustain that place. It would end up looking more like Gattaca or the new Brave New World tv show.
>>1329598(OP)
>post scarcity society
Lmao someone saw the technocracy documentary
>humans spend most time in scientific research, sports, and art related activities
That's not how it works. A select few will engage in those activities. The ones who will would have done it regardless of their circumstances. Do you know what people do when they have everything they could need or want? They get bored and seek stimulation at best. At worst, they become destructive, including self destructive.
>every country has same standard of living
Not possible. And if it were, why would you want that? The chinese vision of success is immensely different from the Italian vision of success which are both very different from the american vision of success.
>UBI
Oy vey this goy again. Income comes from somewhere. The entirety of civilization is founded on agriculture. Your intent is to turn robots into slaves so you dont have to turn humans into slaves.
>poverty is the most common reason for crime
False. Race is the greatest indicator of violent crime. Personality traits are common predictor of most other crimes ie stock fraud.
>why would anyone commit any crime
Such a naive perspective. I hate your face. I think you're a faggot OP. I want to kill you in minecraft because your existence pisses me off.
>no more nationalist and religious bigots
Anyone against these things are themselves bigots. Religion and nationalism are the strongest glue that holds civilization together. Remove them and you dont have civilization. You have individual animals who only care about satisfying desires of the flesh.
>it would not be perfect
Correct.
>but better than what we have
Lmao no it would not.
>>1329598(OP)
Humans like all animals were created to serve a purpose.
Remove that purpose and you deteriorate physically and mentally.
The same is true in all animals, dogs, cats, horses, crows, etc
Put them in a cage and remove their function and instincts except necessities and they whither and die.
It's not a nice process.
>>1329598(OP)
>No more nationalist and religious bigots. No more wars and skittles.
you realize that only 1 peoples could make that utopia come true and it's the white europeans.
never happen
>>1329598(OP)
1 jogger would ruin it all
>>1329598(OP)
No, I want to live in a cave like my ancestors did.
>>1329598(OP)
>where food production, manufacturing and other jobs are done by robots.
decadence and degeneracy would have to become extinct for centuries to a millennia in order to allow this.

also most races would not survive the transit to such a golden age. Nor would communists, mutants that might appear due to genetic tampering and so on.
There is nothing such as post scarcity, more people will be born or come or technology will improve and more material will be needed. Stop reading retarded commie fantasies.
>>1329598(OP)
I consider this the only possible outcome for the economy, though it would probably coincide with left and right identity politics leading to a socially degenerate society where people find reasons to fight over nothing.
>>1329598(OP)
Anon 2 movies you must watch: Logan's Run, and Onions Green

Each deals with a very specific vision of the future, and in both vision the size of the human population must be kept in check to maintain equilibrium. Only one of those visions deals with post-scarcity.
>>1329598(OP)
What's this from?
>>1329598(OP)
That sounds like "Heaven"?
Like, if this was a couple thousand years ago, I'd be listening to this guy and thinking "Huh, sounds pretty good, I just have to become a Christian?"
>>1329598(OP)
Project Venus is a pipe dream that would result in extreme social engineering and isolated human experimentation. How do I know this? Because human beings are involved. Basically, it wouldn't work unless only kids with zero knowledge of the outside world lived there and robots took care of maintenance. Wow. What a dreamworld. Really makes you sink.
>>1329598(OP)
>poverty is the most common reason for crime
Bullshit.
>no more nationalist and religious bigots
Bullshit. Religion will always exist
>no immigration
Bullshit. People still want to travel.
>no more nationalism...no more immigration
These things are mutually exclusive anyway.
what a retard
>>1329598(OP)
>if everyone's basic income is met why would anyone commit any crime.
False. Joggers have their every need in the west taken care of at taxpayer's expense and they use their leisure time breaking laws, often violently, against the very taxpayers who were made to feed them.
The state would have to regulate human reproduction and sexuality with an iron fist.
"post scarcity" how about a post niggered society.
>>1329598(OP)
I think its a fantastic concept but would require a high trust highly educated society to maintain it.
>>1329598(OP)
>post scarcity

Didn’t read anything past this. Kill yourself
How will this totally-not-communism deal with structural unemployment and natural racial disparities? Will I still be blamed because he average black kid won't do well in school?
Cliche flag utopia posting should be banned.
>>1329598(OP)
> this entire post
Gillett jogger cliche.jpg
>>1329598(OP)
> where food production, manufacturing and other jobs are done by robots.

Uh anon, what century are you from?
mmmm technocommunism... like most of you drop kicks won't get murdered by a select few who realize they no longer need you to live the high life.
>>1329598(OP)
> Humans spends most of the time in scientific research, sports and art related activities.

They already do. It is just that discovering how many pizzas causes diabetes takes a dominoes. It's a trade off.
>>1329598(OP)
>Humans spends most of the time in scientific research, sports and art related activities.

More like fighting, fucking, drinking and drugs. All of society would be a drunken frat party that would make Weimar Germany seem tame.
>>1329598(OP)
>The Venus Project.
Holy shit I haven't thought about that since 2008
>>1329598(OP)
>Poverty is the most common reason for crime if everyone's basic income is met why would anyone commit any crime.
retard, the most successful criminals are not the poor and desperate ones
>>1329598(OP)
Utopia on this planet! I don’t think so anon. There is no money in that.
What’s more likely to happen is massive depopulation with so deadly virus..and the few million “elites” who are left behind will attempt to build the utopia you think is possible..there is no fucking way any utopia is going to be shared with billions of methane emitting, useless eaters on UBI.
We have served out various purposes and now the tech exists so we no longer need to exist
>>1329598(OP)
>if everyone's basic income is met why would anyone commit any crime.
People are evil and will always steal and break laws, shit like this proves you are nothing more than a cliche flag lefty shill
>>1329598(OP)
>global, resource-based economy
>food production, manufacturing and other jobs are done by robots.
>Humans spends most of the time in scientific research, sports and art related activities.
>Every country has same standard of living
>no immigration and no crime because everyone receives universal basic income
>No more nationalist and religious bigots
>No more wars and skittles.
My god, you faggots truly do live in an insane fantasy world that you've conjured up in your minds. You want to carve up reality and force it to adhere to your worthless internationalist ideals so that no one is unique, there are no differences, there is no negativity, no hard-work, no pain, no sacrifice, no virtue, no spirituality, no beauty, no tragedy, no anything.
Your ideology is the ideology of death and destruction, the complete cessation of all the ideals, concepts, and processes that give life any meaning.
You want to extinguish the small but eternal fire that burns brightly in our corner of this cold and dark universe, and I for one am not going to let you do it. You and your fellow megalomaniacs need to be beaten to death and killed before you do irreversible damage to nature, the universe, and the various unique races of men and women that have evolved on this earth according to the laws that created everything in existence. I say this without any hint of irony or sarcasm.
>>1329598(OP)
>post scarcity
Good luck 3d printing prime real estate.

A post scarcity society is one rule by feudal lords. Sounds like hell.
>>1329598(OP)
I too, watched the Zeitgeist movies when I was 19.
>>1329598(OP)
Lack of empathy and having no good father's to instill a sense of self worth and value in society are what drive crime. Some of the poorest areas in the world have little crime as long as they have firm morals.
>>1329598(OP)
>>Humans spends most of the time in scientific research, sports and art related activities.

Many western countries are already here. What do we see? People trying to love far beyond their means and massive crime rates. Humans didn't evolve for Utopia, we evolves for conflict. If nature doesn't provide conflict, we will create it.
Fuck off commie.

This shit was cringe 15 years ago
>>1329598(OP)
Universal income means: an engineer or a nurse wll have their wage+ ubi. A person who doesn't work will omly have ubi. It will probably lead to some inflation as well.
>>1329598(OP)
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TRUMP 2020
AMERICA FIRST!
>>1329598(OP)
>Post scarcity
You just going to conjure land out of your ear wax?
sounds junkie af, a world without war would be pretty boring.
Beyond The Black Rainbow is a deconstruction of this shit.
>>1329598(OP)
It relies on supply side economics to much it shares the same flaw as Austrian, Milton Friedman's Chicago School and Marxism. Post Keynesianism is the way to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQG078uzIpU&t=3705s