>One of the more unsettling discoveries in the past half century is that the universe is not locally real. “Real,” meaning that objects have definite properties independent of observation—an apple can be red even when no one is looking; “local” means objects can only be influenced by their surroundings, and that any influence cannot travel faster than light. Investigations at the frontiers of quantum physics have found that these things cannot both be true. Instead, the evidence shows objects are not influenced solely by their surroundings and they may also lack definite properties prior to measurement. As Albert Einstein famously bemoaned to a friend, “Do you really believe the moon is not there when you are not looking at it?”
Scientists have been using at click baity headlines for their inane rambling papers on their schizophrenic theories for a long time. Guess what if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it it does in fact still make a sound no retarded overpaid quack can prove otherwise.
>>1522241(OP) >The fuck are we supposed to do now?
what do you mean
just continue, the usual
we are literally causing spastic reverberations onto the real world by sheer autism alone and call that cliches, but as far as normies are concerned it can be magic
they might have all the doc titles, but actual pioneers of the applied quantum physics congregate here
universe wants to explore itself
we literally couldn't stop ourselves even if we tried
>>1522241(OP) >the evidence shows...
how do you have evidence that objects not observed don't have definite properties if you need to observe them to check what their current properties are??
do "scientists" really?
Hypothesis is retarded.
If I hide a map in a wall hole of my house for buried treasure and I die immediately after not telling anyone, someone will eventually find the map and it will be in the exact same spot/shape as I left it.
How can an observer that never knew about this object to begin with reconstitute it to be exactly the same as the way I saw it before I died?
No information was ever transfered between me and the new observer.
So that means that object really did exist locally and existed without anyone being there to observe it.
Physics nerds are overcompensated in certain modes of intelligence and are quite dumb in others. In fact, they're very braindead on some things.
Here's how it works, think about it.
What would it take for every particle and energy packet to have discrete parameters defining their state and position?
A data structure. A "third party" which tracks these parameters. This is one reason why we talk about Higgs Bosons and spacetime continuum.
But does that make sense? That WOULD be a simulated universe.
What would it mean for particles to be REAL? Think about anarchy versus governance. Real particles ALONE "know" their own parameters and these only become real in the process of communication.
Thus, what is real comes through communication
The "particle" or "quantum of energy" are not REAL. A particle is nothing other than a moment of discrete communication between communicating substances.
Particles are not things, they are events.
People are missing the larger implications here, slowly science is starting to confirm the existence of a higher power. They know this but are reluctant to talk about it except couched in scientific vagueness.
If you've never studied QM and did actual calculations before, you do not deserve to have an opinion on this because you do not understand any of the terms and the sophistications behind them. Quantum mechanics translates extremely poorly to digestible popsci articles, and will lead to wrong interpretations as demonstrated by the brainlets above this post.
Obviously, objects have definite properties independent of observation and obviously objects can be influenced by something faster than light, it would be ridiculous to presume we are in such an advanced state of understanding of the universe that it would impossible for anything to travel faster than light.
Measurement might affect the properties of an object depending on how it is done but that doesn't imply the object itself is without any definite properties while it isn't being measured.
It's just a bunch of semantic philosophical retardation.
stop reading click bait headlines for one
all the experiments really showed was that quantum mechanics doesnt give a fuck about relativity, which means einstein was a fucking hack fraud kike
HOLY SHIT TINY DICK BROS IF THIS IS TRUE I CAN LOOK AT MY PENIS, THEN LOOK AWAY, THEN WILL IT TO BE BIGGER, THEN LOOK AT MY PENIS AGAIN AND I'LL HAVE A BWC!! WE'RE SAVED BROS I'M EXPERIMENTING WITH THIS NOW AND ALREADY OVER 8 CM.
Engineer here with two Ivy League degrees - this is bullshit
Most of quantum physics and theoretical physics is bullshit. Garbage theories contingent in prior garbage theories to be correct. How many layers of theories are we at now? Three? Four?
If something cannot be tested in a lab and observed through replication, it isn't important or valuable to know. This is the case for 99% of theoretical physics. Some nerd writes a paper with mathematical proofs for his advisor's pet theories - why should anyone give a fuck?
Better question- what has quantum physics ever done done for us? In nearly a century of research, quantum physics has not added any value to our way of life. It has not invented anything. It's just a bunch of academics fighting over the existence of fake and junkie who-gives-a-fuck particles and stupid word games of things not existing.
In the Bible, it is said that humans cannot understand God. What this means is that humans cannot understand God's creation. So all these theories are useless because they will never reveal the answer, since the answer is incomprehensible to the human mind. Our brains are limiter, and in video game terms, this would be known as a progression block.
it's impossible to prove any sauce of random data generation is truly random. That fact alone fucks up any experiment you can devise. People don't like the idea of superdeterminsm because they believe it nullifies the concept of existential free-will. What's the point of merits and reprimands if nobody has control over themselves? It seems like nihilism. It's not appealing.
That doesn't mean it's not the ultimate objective truth, but it's a really tough sell.
>>1522241(OP) >The universe is not real
No shit? The rest of the cosmos is functionally non existent. Just an image on a screen and those images are millions to billions of years old and anything in them is likely already gone. Sure we can see it but we have no way of interacting with it. Like watching a recording of Hitler. No matter how badly we want to talk and tell him we love him he will never hear it.
That sounds like a matter of perception. It’s like all those science fags who believe were in a simulation without a shred of evidence. As it turns out they’re probaly right because that’s something they perceive to be true when there is no contradictory evidence that dispels their belief.
I knew science would eventually combine the metaphysical but I had no idea it would only appeal to high Iq stoners.
this is particularly funny because the entire premise of modern science is based off the idea that only the immediate, observable universe is relevant.
I always thought the academia was largely full of shit but I'd never dream they actually took that premise seriously to the point of needing quantum physics to prove they're retarded.
This terrible title and horrible cliche explanation are why retards on /g/ think science is a bunch of made up bullshit.
The truth is, modern physics can not be properly explained without math. It is perfectly rigorous, and makes perfect sense, if you can understand the math. The language of physics is mathematics, not english.
Popsci retards trying to give explain modern physics to laypeople using terrible analogies do more harm to physics than good.
This isn't news. /g/ is filled with sub 100 IQ joggers. For now over 50 years scientists know that the act of measuring an atomic sample automatically alters the sample because the very act of seeing implies having photons go through atoms, and most atoms experience different degrees of ionization when light gets shot through.
/g/ and OP would know this if y'all actually were the special snowflakes you believe yourselves to be, when in truth you're not smarter than your average street jogger
Actually in Platonic philosophy, only the pure perfect paradigms of things that exist solely in the mind of God are "real". The imperfect materializations of those pure ideas are mere images of the real ones in the mind of God, hence the chair you're sitting on, your body, the earth you're living on are all images, that is imaginary manifestations of the real.
Their material substance is mere hyle, ashes, dust filth. They appear attractive or interesting only insofar as they manifest a form that is dictated by the rational scheme of the universe in the mind of God, that is the Logos.
I'm not sure how that world view holds up to that POV. I haven't gotten that far yet in Bertrand Russell's history of Philosophy.
y'all are just going to ignore me cause I'm a mexianon and I'm talking about flat earth. But the space is obfuscated, some divine entity obscured the lights above the earth. Any and all conclusion you make about the universe must be false. It's like trying to describe a room after turning off the light.
KEK no shit sherlock. WTF are normies so fucking slow that they need science to discover something before they can even begin to contemplate a different view of "reality" than what their normie eyes can perceive.
That being said--yay for him. I get so fn sick of normies >I don't believe in big foot >I don't believe in--what the fuck ever
Waste time demeaning people who don't need to believe in Big Foot they KNOW big foot. I wander into reddit now and then to read or /x/ on here and it's just sad. >I don't believe
Who gaf what you believe? LOL wasting time slamming on other people who have had experiences different from yours and or giving time to the fake fucks, the hunters but never finders--why?Does it make them feel better?
It a person is standing right next to you blowing a dog whistle, you can see they're blowing it but you can't hear it--does it mean there's no dog whistle?
The real world is part >Matrix >simulation theory >parallel dimensions >Truman's World >Multiverse >Orosboros
and >prison planet
filled with Organic Portals someone told you that you had to care about.
For everything you CAN see there is a whole world right next to you that you can't see. Frequency--life is.
I wonder if the dude that left this comment realized he was describing "Jehovah". HEH.
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